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lineman55



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tim,
I have to apologize for my website being like it is..my problem is that I have to many things going at once and trying to focus on one isnt an option for me at the moment. Laughing
I think I will let Chad step in and pickup the pieces on my site for me.
I believe I have one to many index pages or just located incorrectly.

The site link works but my original link dosent show the update pics in the projection section.
Use the new link I posted for now Cool

http://www.biagettis.com/737simproject/737simproject.htm
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lineman55



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for everyones FYI
Chad was kind enough to help me by straightening out my website for me.
Thanks Chad! Excellent job!

You can now view the new pics on my site about the acrylic mirror setup if you havent already.

www.biagettis.com/737simproject/ Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still have a few more more pages to fix but glad to help. Very Happy
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Steve_TO



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone had any experience setting up three projectors with Tims three curved mirrors for a 180 degree or greater view?
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Tomlin



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See this link to James' website for what I am about to ask: http://www.biagettis.com/737simproject/737simproject_010.htm



Now, my question is this: Many times I see pictures of peoples 'deck all nice and lit up but the forward view is greatly crabbing. James has fixed the issue. What is it that causes this? I seem to remember a mentioning of the default view is moved over to the left for the CAP view, and you have to center it, or it's the default zoom.

Thanks,

Eric T
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Joe Cygan



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Eric,
What do you mean by "greatly crabbing"?
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Tomlin



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean that when folks take pictures from anywhere other than in the Captains' seat, the picture reveals that the view appears like the plane is crabbing sideways, like here:

http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/_assets/images/products/109-large.jpg

...and here- http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/gallery.php?section=enthusiast&page=3

the last photo of Ray S.'s sim.
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Joe Cygan



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomlin wrote:
I mean that when folks take pictures from anywhere other than in the Captains' seat, the picture reveals that the view appears like the plane is crabbing sideways, like here:

http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/_assets/images/products/109-large.jpg

...and here- http://www.flightdecksolutions.com/gallery.php?section=enthusiast&page=3

the last photo of Ray S.'s sim.


Not sure if your viewing a parallax or if the image is exactly as your referring it to be.

I have never noticed that before, very interesting.
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sbecker777



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "crabbing" can also be because of the eyepoint in the aircraft.cfg file. Most default aircraft move the eyepoint to be that of the captain (since most people fly on one monitor)- something left of the centerline of the aircraft.

Find the part of the .cfg file that has the eyepoint, and change the X dimension to "0"- in other words, no offset either to the left or right.

Steve
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Stoney3K



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So THAT's the reason why my landings are always off the centerline! Time to give it a fix Smile
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Tomlin



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sbecker777 wrote:
The "crabbing" can also be because of the eyepoint in the aircraft.cfg file. Most default aircraft move the eyepoint to be that of the captain (since most people fly on one monitor)- something left of the centerline of the aircraft.

Find the part of the .cfg file that has the eyepoint, and change the X dimension to "0"- in other words, no offset either to the left or right.

Steve


This is EXACTLY was I was referring to. I cant tell you how many times Ive seen pics of people's sims that had this weird effect...Im sure this had somthing to do with the aussie who just got his NG up and flyable and was having trouble landing too...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahemmm...that 'Aussie' was me, and Im' still struggling to land Crying or Very sad

I couldnt find that eyepoint in FS9.cfg...because its in the aircraft .cfg under [views] Shocked Laughing .

Its the middle(lateral) value, and its usuallly about -1.97...

Thanks for jogging my memory Eric.

Nat...that 'Aussie'
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DCO



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I studied quit a bit on the "crab" effect, that is the result of a 3D image projected on 2D. You will see that if you are standing in the middle of the cockpit the runway will be aligned, the more you move to the left or right in the cockpit, the more the runway will crab.
The FS image is made for monitors, that are placed direct in front of the "single" pilot.

There are a few things that can be done to make this crabbing effect as little as possible.
-You can move the eyepoint, as stated before, but keep in mind that if you do that, the pilot view will be better but if you have a co-pilot, the crabbing will be worse.
-If you have a Single seater, place the projector aligned with the pilot seat and you will have no crabbing.
-Try to make the forward image as big as possible, the wider the screen, the less crabbing, combine this with a lower zoom factor and it will allmost be perfect.

The last option is the one I use, you can see some pictures on my website. I use 2 projectors for the front view alowing a wide stretch of the image. In my earlier setup (a few years ago) I had only one projector, the crabbing was my biggest problem, all landings were like crosswind landings.

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Marnix
www.projectmagenta.com/dreamflight
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Tomlin



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

melnato wrote:
Ahemmm...that 'Aussie' was me, and Im' still struggling to land Crying or Very sad

I couldnt find that eyepoint in FS9.cfg...because its in the aircraft .cfg under [views] Shocked Laughing .

Its the middle(lateral) value, and its usuallly about -1.97...

Thanks for jogging my memory Eric.

Nat...that 'Aussie'


Nat, outside of Ireland, I can think of no better country to visit than Austrailia mate (besides the US!) and so no offense meant. I just couldnt think of who posted the issue on landing problems!

Anyhow, hopefully DCO's info is helpful.
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NicD



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm "another Aussie" - lol Very Happy

Tried moving the viewpoint today and it was a definate improvement. Landings were better, just gotta learn how to taxi all over again Shocked Smile

Thanks for the tips!
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