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wwwayward



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:13 pm    Post subject: boeing flap question Reply with quote

Hello all !!

a quickie question with regards to boeing flap handle.
on the widebody aircraft there is a gate at position 1 and also at position 20, anyone have an explanation??
no i'm not gonna stay awake tonight thinking about it, just curious as to what it is and why.

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Steff
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Don



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Whilst it is true that these flap positions are not commanly used, they are necessary for various configurations.

Flap 1 for instance, I often use to comply wit ATC imposed speed restrictions, whilst not wishing to slow down to flap 5 speed.

Flap 20, I occasionally use for takeoff, it gives a beater regulated takeoff weight (RTOW) from some shorter runway lengths.

I refer here specifically to the B777.

Hope this helps
Don
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chrisw



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steff,

If you mean the 'lug' which sticks out on those flap positions I once wondered that myself. They are not just on the widebodies - the 737 has them at positions 1 and 15 (I'm staring at a real 737-200 quadrant as I type, sad, I know).

I believe they are in place so that you cannot move past those flap positions in one (possibly erronous) movement of the flap lever. The lug stops the lever moving until you lower the lever a little, pass the lug and then lift the lever again.

On the 737 for example, the leading edge slats deploy at flap 1. So, moving down from flaps 15 through 10, 5 etc. I am physically stopped from taking off all flap (and so stowing the slats) until I manouvre the lever around the lug - something I have to intentionally do. It's a safety device basically.

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Chris
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wwwayward



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the quick answers Guys!
i thought it might be a safety restricting device. and thought i'd ask anyways

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Steff
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chrisw



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No probs. I took a pic to try to illustrate what I meant. Not the clearest, but you can see the pin on the flap lever which would normally sit in the gate slots, and the 'lug' which stops it progressing past 1 / 15 degrees until you lower the lever a little.



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MarkusPilot



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The notch is to prevent inadvertant or incorrect flap selection.

example:-
On a go-around you call "Go-Around Flaps 15"

Thus the PNF (Pilot Not Flying) selects the flaps from 30 or 40 to the 15 position.
You dont want to select Flaps 10 by mistake.

The notch will prevent the flap lever moving to the 10 position.
When the flap lever enters the 15 position the notch moves the lever down preventing the movement past the 15 position.

Also works the other way to prevent too much flap extension on approach.

In either direction a definate action is required to move past or thru the flap gate.

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Don



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
For info, it is now no longer PNF (Pilot non Flying), but PM (Pilot Monitering)!!
No doubt from the Boeing legal deparetment!
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Don
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